Good job. Danaus built a ship with fifty oars and fled to Greece with his fifty daughters. ", "Here I give an admittedly subjective short list, in random order, of useful, high level and regularly updated weblogs on the study of the Old Testament . Howbeit, one day her bonds were loosed of themselves, and unknown to her keepers she came to her sons cottage, begging that they would take her in. (A white Muslim convert I knew well in Norwich once said to me, We dont make your distinction between fact and fiction!). 25. One of the plainest examples is the Acts of Peter (probably from the 180s) which tells of Neros persecution of Peter in Rome, but states that he was forced to keep his hands off Peters Christian followers due to a threatening vision from heaven. (p. 231), Allen, N.P.L. The daughters were ordered by their father to kill their husbands on the first night of their weddings and this they all did with the exception of one, Hypermnestra, who spared her husband Lynceus because he respected her desire to remain a virgin. Where to eat? I would also like to point out one serious flaw in Shaws argument, relating to his desire to keep the Tacitean passage as essentially authentic, but constituting a misinterpretation by Tacitus time about a Neronian event. smuggled the dramatic account of this persecution into the Annals of Tacitus, and thus secured the acceptance as historical fact of a purely imaginary story. Le chtiment des Danades is an essay by the French-Canadian author Henri Paul Jacquesthe applying the Freudian concept of psychoanalysis to the study of the punishment imposed on the Danades after they committed their crimes. In almost every history of the early Christian Church, the event is marked as a dramatic turning point in the relations between Christians and the imperial government. Not just in reference to a Tacitus account of such an event, but in any discussion of the tradition of martyrdom in their own history, something which Christian writers were continually fixated upon, from Clement to Tertullian to Eusebius. This may be a new way of thinking for a lot of you. The third or fourth bishop of Rome has been proposed, but there are numerous pseudepigraphical texts attached to his name and no certain provenience or date can be established for the text. 1. ", "Thanks for this detailed interaction! us with a most excellent example. At first those who confessed were taken away for punishment; subsequently others who were denounced by others were rounded up. The infants were exposed, but a neatherd found and reared them, and he called the one Zethos (Zethus) and the other Amphion . can be read possibly as Philinna according to Mauricius Schmidt in his annotations of Hyginus. 8:3). Not available publicly on our website or anywhere else exclusively for our confirmed subscribers! Thus was he removed from the world, and went into the holy place, having proved himself a striking example of patience. Translation. Academia.edu no longer supports Internet Explorer. Envy has alienated wives from their husbands, and changed that saying of our father Adam, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. Envy and strife have overthrown great cities and rooted up mighty nations. Dirce who treats Antiope cruelly throughout her life, instructs the twins to kill their mother. Sheffield Phoenix Press. He indulged in all the trappings of his day, including the pastime of watching gladiatorial combat and games where criminals were tortured or eaten alive by wild animals. To begin with, there is no evidence that Christians were crucified as a penalty for their faith. Welcome to the season where the only song we sing for fourweeks isO Come, O Come, Emmanuel! Prof. Shaws case undermining the historicity of the Tacitus account and its supposed witness to Jesus is an important one, but it could have been much more conclusive and also more supportive to Jesus as myth. A lot was cast among the sons of Aegyptus to decide which of the Danaids each should marry except for those daughters born to Memphis who were joined by their namesakes, the sons of Tyria. We all know the problem with this promise. The Death of Peter and Paul. He also presented a circus entertainment and in the dress of a charioteer he either mixed with the crowd or stood in his own chariot. Books and publications are covered with a range of perspectives with attempts at fair and accurate representation of others arguments and content (where there are occasional and inevitable missteps on that I notice Neil making corrections and apologies where warranted, which wins points with me). Shaws article is valuable for casting such doubt on a supposedly key Christian martyr tradition, but his particular case is seriously flawed. It is possible that a Christian writer of second-century date intended this passage to refer to events connected with Nero and the fire. This post is going straight to the March 2016 Biblical Studies Carnival. When Belus died, he ordered Danaus king of Libya and Aegyptus, king of Arabia. Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3. I refer to your site frequently as yet more names and publications pop up requiring an academic critique and helpful recommendations for book purchases. 10 ff (trans. Having no other option, he consented for the wedding and organized a low-profile wedding party. Through jealousy women were made to appear as Danaids and Dircae, suffering terrible and unholy indignities; they finished the race of faith unshaken and received a noble reward, weak in the body though they were. In fact, the Gospel of John is likely written around the same time as this document. Best, John", John Moles, September 2011 (personal email), "I always enjoy reading Neils blog because I think that he is careful, thorough, intellectually fair, and honest. In Jewish apocalyptic mythology Nero was depicted as a bestial figure, no doubt because the war that ended with the destruction of the Temple was commenced under his reign. Im so glad youre helping to spread these ideas! Shaw is not suggesting Tacitus knowingly concoctedthe story of the Neronian persecution. I dont always agree with them, but I respect their work. It is, however, very doubtful, in view of the silence of the other Christian authors who used Tacitus, if the manuscript of Tacitus which Sulpicius used contained the passage in question. You can return Home, go to the index of commentaries, or go to my categorized index of artices. Abstract of a recently published article by Princeton University Professor of Classics, Brent D. Shaw: Brent D. Shaw (2015). Tom Berenger, It seems to me that being psycho-analysed is essentially a process where one is forced back into infantilism and then rescued from it by crystallising what one learns into a sort of intellectual primitivism-one is forced back into myth, and folk lore and everything that belongs to the savage or undeveloped stages of society. Christians, like the Jews, came to think ofNero asan evil apocalyptic figure, the one who had supposedly killed Peter and Paul and was the first persecutor of the Christians. of an individual, and merge them with the art or ideas that belong to the childhood of a people. Let us take the noble examples furnished in our own generation. However, Aphrodite, the goddess of love, intervened and saved her from punishment. 1:13). Presuming this much to be true, one might then further speculate about what was happening to the women concerned. To these men who spent their lives in the practice of holiness, there is to be added a great multitude of the elect, who, having through envy endured many indignities and tortures, furnished. Theoi Project Copyright 2000 - 2017 Aaron J. Atsma, Netherlands & New Zealand, (Callimachus Hymn to Delos, Nonnus Dionysiaca 44.10). The entirety of his focus in condemning Nero concentrates on the preaching of Peter and Paul at Rome and the effects of their ideas in the city. Of course, we can conclude that we all do. Neros spectacular executions of large numbers of Christians in the aftermath of the fire that raged through the city of Rome in July of 64 is commonly regarded as a foundational event in the history of Christian martyrdom. Again, there is no connection with Nero or with the Fire. Some accounts tell that their punishment in Tartarus was being forced to carry a jug to fill a bathtub (pithos) without a bottom (or with a leak) to wash their sins off. The story of Danaides begins with the rivalry between the twin sons of Belus, the king of Egypt. Suetonius makes no connection here with the Fire. You may copy, but not sell this information. But how could the legend arise that Nero was the first to persecute the Christians? Per Porter, Stanley E.; Pearson, Brook W.R. (2000). Rouse) (Greek epic C5th A.D.) : To browse Academia.edu and the wider internet faster and more securely, please take a few seconds toupgrade your browser. It seems as if official science is here again, as in so many other cases, under the dominion of a long-continued suggestion, in taking the narrative of Tacitus to be genuine without further examination. "When Alexandros [Alexander the Great] the son of Philippos led his forces against Thebes the gods sent them signs and portents presaging their imminent fate . https://www.rebuildingthefoundations.org/faith-and-works-story.html. 25. Doris Lessing, I like the probability of the impossible." To read more about Neil, see our. ", "Fantastic. The presumed authenticity of Tacitus passage (Annals 15:44) has long been a key plank in the case for the existence of an historical Jesus, within the long but lately resurgent question (now popularly referred to as Jesus mythicism) as to whether Jesus actually existed or is a fictional/allegorical character. (I) Why does Clement quote so many texts of the Old Testament and only a few words . St. Clement was the bishop of Rome and third in succession from St. Peter. Mair) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) Envy has alienated wives from their husbands, and changed that saying of our father Adam, "This is now bone of my . This second group were singled out because others believed they had a general hatred for humankind. | Contact Us Neros new building code changes after the fire]. And he brings into play the unnamed freedmen referred to by Josephus, Ant. This is quite improbable. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. In this chapter, Clement calls God's desire for the repentance of sinners a "gracious declaration." to remind ourselves.". Grace and repentance go hand in hand. Your voice is unique. Just to count the grand houses, the apartment blocks, and the temples that had been destroyed would be very difficult. But then when explaining whom Nero scapegoatedTacitusenters the realm of anachronism. So, please continue to delve deeply and share this intellectual sustenance with your grateful readers. when he had completed his Histories. . Nero was seen as a benefactor of the poor and common persons and a future restorer of a golden age. Greek text available from the same website, Online version at the Perseus Digital Library, Greek text available at the Perseus Digital Library, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danades&oldid=1129780773, Archedice, along with her sister Helice and two others, chosen by lot by the rest, had founded the temple of Lindian, This page was last edited on 27 December 2022, at 03:05. Response to Christopher Jones: The Historicity of the Neronian Persecution. I will attempt to outline some of the points I found of particular interest in his article. Your email address will not be published. Auf seinen Befehl hin tteten alle bis auf eine in der Brautnacht ihre jungen Ehemnner, smtlich Shne des Aigyptos, die sogenannten Aigyptiaden. It is worth noting that Tacitus Annals 15 derives from a single manuscript, found in the derives from a single manuscript found in a monastery at Monte Cassino in the 13 or 14th century, that also found its way into the hands of Poggio Bracciolini. Note what Arthur Drews said in The Roman Witneses; Tacitus in The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus:, Chicago, The Open Court Publishing Co. (c1912) , Finally, there is the complete silence of profane writers and the vagueness of the Christian writers on the matter; the latter only gradually come to make a definite statement of a general persecution of the Christians under Nero, whereas at first they make Nero put to death only Peter and Paul. The entirety of his focus in condemning Nero concentrates on the preaching of Peter and Paul at Rome and the effects of their ideas in the city. "Antiope was a daughter of Nykteus (Nycteus), and Zeus had intercourse with her. Danaus soon understood the plan of his brother and was not willing to surrender his beautiful daughters to his nasty nephews. The vague charges of incendiarism assumed a more definite form, and were associated with the character of Antichrist, which the Church was accustomed to ascribe to Nero on account of his supposed diabolical cruelty. How much further than that you can go has never been defined by law. Shepherds reared her sons as their own, and called one Zetos (Zethus) and the other Amphion . In the most common version of the myth, all but one of them killed their husbands on their wedding night, and are condemned to spend eternity carrying water in a sieve or perforated device. These include: The Daughters of Danaus is also the title of an 1894 novel by Mona Caird, also dealing with imposed marriage although, in this case, it is a single marriage instead of 50, and in 19th-century Great Britain. can be read as Myrmydone as cited in Hyginus, can be read possibly as Cleodora (Mauricius Schmidt) or simply. The reason for Nero attacking the Christians (including the deaths of Peter and Paul), according to Lactantius, was the same as we read of in Plinys correspondence: the pagan cults were being abandoned because of the success of Christian preaching. The absence is doubly striking since it was precisely a fire at Nicomedia (two of them, in fact) that caused Galerius and Diocletian to turn on the Christians in the Great Persecution of 303 C.E. Wilsons TLS (11 December) review of J.D. These things, beloved, we write unto you, not merely to admonish you of your duty, but also to remind ourselves. For example, when Tacitus says that there arose a distaste towards Nero for his executions because they were perceived to be a concession to the emperors bestiality and not a contribution to the utilitas publica of the state, he is surely echoing a dominant ideology not of the 60s but of his own age. It is very possible that this was the house of St. Clement himself. .The Sybilline Oracles believed the legend that Nerowas a Once and Future Kinga villain in the West but a hero in the Eastwho would one day return at the head of the Parthian armies to destroy the Roman Empire. He then returns to the events of Neros time. Tacitus presents no problems for Shaw until he gets to that part where Nero feels forced to deal with rumours relating toresponsibility for the fire. In Monday Begins on Saturday, it is mentioned that the Danades had their case reviewed in modern times, and, due to mitigating circumstances (the marriage being forced), had their punishment changed to laying down and then immediately demolishing asphalt. ", "By the way, my thanks to Neil for an ongoing superb job of exposing Jims review for what it is: a farcical and none too effective exercise in mythicism assassination, nothing to do with rational, let alone unbiased, scholarship. Nero had somehow come to be connected with the Christians; But Lykos and his wife Dirke (Dirce) imprisoned Antiope and treated her despitefully. They had been denounced as Christians by their jealous husbands. Some authors offer the one version, some the other. ", "Vridar is consistently thought-provoking, well-informed, and asking the right questions. Christian Interpolation in Josephus Antiquitates Judaicae (c. 94 C.E.). Only one of the girls, Hypermnestra, did not commit this horrible crime. As such he was bound, by a kind of natural enmity, to have been the first to persecute the Christians; as Sulpicius puts it, because vice is always the enemy of the good.[68] The second is the political interest of the Christians in representing themselves as Neros victims, in order to win the favour and protection of his successors on that account. 6:14). Finally, for those that do not know, copyright allows "fair use" of all written works. 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